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Our Torah is fully observational

We know that the Torah binds us to all of it’s commands. If you break one, you break the Law/Torah. And are guilty of judgment. Sin runs rampant in this system, as it was meant to. The Law of sin and death. The Torah given Moshe was added to multiply transgressions. So that the Torah of Yeshua may even more abound.

The neo-Ebonites (Torah observant Christians) reject the teachings of Paul and insisted that the writings of Moses should be strictly observed for the true follower of Messiah.  They claim the Spirit was given to lead them into Torah observance.  Yet, at the same time they claim we can only observe it in partiality.  We here phrases like ‘to the best of our ability’, or ‘only what applies to us here in the wilderness’. Torah observant Christians seem to know they can not observe all of the Torah given Moshe, and make excuses why this is so.  Exile, intermediate covenantial period, ….and the list grows daily.   Yet at the same time claiming the Spirit was given to lead them into this ‘partial’ observance of the Torah.We who have preached the Kingdom that Avraham, Yitzak, and Ya’akov saw, that David saw, that Yeshua preached to Yisrael and was murdered for, we have always spoken of the promise of Avraham as the root of Messiah. Not Ya’akov, least Yishmael and a host of nations be cut off for not being physically ‘Jewish’.

The true message is that Torah is complete, fulfilled. Not laid in limbo to be partially observed here in exile among the nations. Yeshua’s Torah/instruction proclaims an observance of every jot and title. It lays nothing aside for a while, nor does it renew anything old dusting it off and making it operate per antiquity.

He fills the cup to overflowing. He works for centuries filling the cup then, he drinks. No work left to do but watch him be filled with the blood from the vines. Our Jewish brothers labored all day and earned their pay, and place. The cup (Yisrael) was formed and filled. Yeshua came and filled it to overflowing, even with his own blood.

Now he takes it and pours it out upon mankind. We are ministers of this work. This is the work he is doing, and the work he has prepared for us from the foundations of the earth.

Our Torah is in full force. It is fully observed, the spirit is poured out upon his children. And all born again believers walk according to his ways, because all are born from above by his Spirit. Born to witness and bring this message of salvation through out the world.

Torah observant Christian teaching claims we are observing a renewed Torah, partially. This is because they can not possibly for them or any other to observe it the way it was given. Because it’s not possible to fill the cup any longer when it’s now being poured out.

I have been constantly told by Torah observant Christians that I am anti-Semitic.  Told I teach the law is void, abolished, dead, …..called Christian, as if this is a derogatory term.

Yet, who is really acting anti-Semitic? Who really is teaching that Torah is made void, or abolished. Is it not those who teach that you can now only follow part of it and be justified? To say you can not follow all of Torah but are still found righteous in God’s eyes…? I do believe there is a scripture regarding that.

Our message is one of complete Torah observance to the covenant established by Yeshua, promised through Avraham.

Neo-Ebonite/Torah observant Christianity is one of partial observance to the writings of Moses. You can only observe parts of it as made accessible through the Spirit. It’s own adherents state this. So in essence the Spirit leads us into partial observance of Torah commands.  Yeshua sent the Spirit to dwell in us and forever lead us into Torah commands, but he placed us in a world where observing these commands are not all possible.  That doesn’t sound like a sane or fair God to me.

The message Yeshua gave of the Kingdom is that it is upon us, it is here. And the instructions (Torah) he spoke regarding the Kingdom were to be followed to every jot and title. Least we call Yeshua a liar. Yeshua’s Torah is New Covenant Torah. It is what Yeshua revealed to Jew and Gentile alike through every Word he spoke. A way to worship God in Spirit and in Truth. By the indwelling of the Holy Spirit upon our souls. Made new, from old. Given a new way to worship God, as promised from the beginning. In union with God through the Spirit. Able to walk out his will and love to the glory of only Yeshua who gives us this gift. The ability to walk in the new creation he formed. In one day a nation was born….again. One new man, the Yisrael of God. Both physical Jews of Ya’akov and physical goyim from the nations. Both born by the Spirit given them. A completed cup being poured out for all creation to drink.

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19 comments on “Our Torah is fully observational

  1. Charles Ryalls
    December 7, 2011

    Yeshua said, “Think not that I have come to destroy the law; I have not come to destroy but to fulfil”. (my paraphrase) The word “Fulfil” means; to fill up, to bring to its full intended meaning. If someone does not believe this they need only continue reading that passage and see what follows because Yeshua does exactly that comparing the Law given to Moshe to the New Torah of the New Covenant. He gives examples through a series of comparisons in a common Rabbinbical style of teaching. He says, “You have heard those of old (The teachers of Moshe’s Torah) say you shall not commit murder, but I say to you that if you have anger in your heart toward another you have already killed in your heart and are guilty.” He uses this format over and over demonstrating clearly that the New Covenant Torah is not the same as the Old Covenant Torah. In fact it raises the bar to a point that it is impossible for any man to claim to be righteous by the keeping of law. It shows us how totally impossible it is to be saved outside of God’s mercy; through a new life lived in unity with God through Messiah.

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  2. Shimshon
    December 7, 2011

    Personally, I think the bar was always set where it is, only the false leaders of Yisrael started teaching that the bar had been moved by someone else. And so they attempted to redefine the bar and it’s position. (do what they say but not what they do)

    I’m noticing the ‘neo-ebonite’ theology that has hijacked Messianic Judaism as Torah observant Christians. I never understood clearly the way this theology was resurrected by Torah observant Christians. I don’t think the majority of them even know they are ‘neo-ebonites’. They all seem to think they have the ‘real’ revelation from God that has been butchered by the Church for over 2000yrs. When in fact they are really only believing in a heresy that is thousands of years old. Repackaged and ‘renewed’ into today’s Messianic Judaism.

    I find it a form of replacement theology. And funny that. Because they scream up and down that Christians have replaced Judaism, all the while being Christians who want to replace Christianity with Judaism. I think my head spun around like linda blair again trying to follow that logic…

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  3. Charles Ryalls
    December 7, 2011

    Good Point my friend. And in all honesty you must remember that even in the days of Yeshua the bar had been redifined by the Rabbinate through the creation of the Oral Torah and “traditions of the fathers” which added many more regulations to God’s simple instructions. Yeshua himself was very much against those Rabbinical laws and openly refuted them, and threreby fell under the their judgment and pursecution and yet so many Messianics hold those same Oral laws and Talmudic traditions to be the highest level of Torah observance. By this practice they hold to the traditions of men all the while neglecting the Law of God and making it of no effect.

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  4. Shimshon
    December 7, 2011

    Did you go to the link I posted for ‘neo-ebonites’? It’s hebrew4christians. I’d heard of the Ebonites before in passing but never paid much attention to them. Recently someone made the comparison between the modern day Torah observant Messianic and the Ebonites of the 1st century. Then I ran across the hebrew4christian sites explanation and it all made sense. Anti-Paul, anti-Church, Anti-Christian, pro-Judaism. I never knew what I was fighting till now. Or should I say, I never knew that this spirit was as old as Yeshua’s resurrection. BTW, I finally made it to where you can post a comment without moderation, after I approved one before. So, your real-time now bro. peace

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  5. Charles Ryalls
    December 8, 2011

    I had not gone to the link until your message above, this A.M. Now that I have it looks like I made my post from theirs. We have the same arguements and essentially use the same texts. However you know that you and I and a few others have been expressing this concern for years now. (TOBY’s) And the deep concern I think is that those who have acquired this practice also come to believe that their Torah observance enhances or validates their faith diminishing simple faith in Yeshua. To a certain degree I am guilty of this when I consider the doctrines of mainline Christianity to the extent that it’s practices are in many cases contray to the very basic teachings of Gods word and sometime even idolitrous in nature. So in that sence I have been guilty of being an iconoclast. But I would never say that you must live like a Jewish person and embrace all that is Jewish in order to be really saved or that the Old covenant supercedes the New Covenant. That issue seems to have been settled long ago when God poured out his spirit on believing/ faithful “Goyim” (Gentiles) just as he had done to the Jewish believers in Yeshua. I personally prefer to observe the moedim of the Torah rather than the traditions of Christianity because they are all prophetic of Messiah and validate the continuity of Gods word becoming a witness to non-believing Jews. I have no interest in festivals made by men who painted pagan practices with a coating of Christian religious dogma. It is shallow and leaves me feeling unclean. Most Christians do these things out of ignorance having placed their trust in the teachings of the church fathers and religious leaders rather than trusting God’s word coupled with prayer and fasting.

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  6. vesselofgod
    December 22, 2011

    Do you agree with any OT commandments at all e.g. sabbath keeping?

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  7. Shimshon
    December 23, 2011

    Agree, yes. I believe that the OT commandments are from God and Holy. Do I believe that the OT commandments are the goal and purpose of the NT commandments, no. Another way of phrasing this is, do I believe that the words God spoke to Moshe are the goal and purpose of the words God speaks through Yeshua, no.

    The OT commandments were given to Yisrael, not the nations. The NT commandments were given to Yisrael AND then nations of the world. The OT commandments brought Yeshua to his goal, the NT commandments bring the world to God’s goal. One was needed so the other would be. The other is because the one was. Both are made one through the Spirit of God through faith in Yeshua.

    I believe we are living Torah to the nations. Meaning, we are a living being that speaks the words of God through the Spirit given us. Not, we are living representations of the law given Moses to the nations. Yeshua is the living representation of God, not the law given Moses. We are the living representation of God as we do what he commanded us. He did not command through Yeshua or the Spirit to observe the law given Moses as Yisrael. He commanded all, both Jew and Gentile to observe Yeshua lifted up on the cross for our redemption. To know who he is, what he did, what he will do, and why he is doing it. We know this because we know the Father. Because the Father is calling all to look upon Yeshua, believe, and receive eternal life. Being resurrected after our death to life eternal. The same as Yeshua.

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  8. Charles Ryalls
    December 23, 2011

    Tradition shows us that the old covenant through Moshe was given on the day of Shavuot in the wilderness. From that time on that day was a time of renewing ones committment to that covenant. At the time of the morning sacrifice one pledged themselves to that covenant. Within that covenant, through the prophets under it, was the promise of a better covenant with a better priesthood that would be the end goal of Gods plan for the world. Then after the death and resurrection of Yeshua on that same festival, Shavuot, while Jews from all over the region came together to pledge their continuing allegence to the old covenant, Yeshua fulfilled his own promise to baptize us into the new covenant by the Holy Spirit and the seal of his own blood, not the blood of temporary animals meant to hold the place until the final and true sacrifice and dedemption would come. Today we who are saved through faith are members of the New Covenant. And obviously there are similarities between the two covenants and their perspective Torahs, however they are not exactly the same. We would be in error to try and go back to the old way after God has fulfilled the promise and brought forth the new and much superior covenant and the perfect priesthood through Messiah Yeshua, who is both King and high priest.

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    • vesselofgod
      December 23, 2011

      I believe that the road is very narrow and is a balance of faith and works. It is very important for me to gain clarity on exactly how God wants me to serve Him (works). I know that many people say that Yeshua only gave two commandments, but He spent His ministry and life showing His disciples how to live out torah. Shouldn’t we aim to emulate His behaviour, isn’t this what we are asked to do and led to do through the Ruach? I don’t believe that all the law still applies for believers and I think anyone who lives by the law of Moses doesn’t understand what Yeshua did for them and so place themselves under the law and judgement through works. But I do not see a lawless kingdom being permitted either, God’s laws are inherently good and I think He leads us to obey those which are most beneficial to us for His purpose and glory.

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      • Shimshon
        January 2, 2012

        Thank you for your responses. I would agree with you that just because gentiles are not called to observe the Torah given Moses, does not mean that they are free to sin against God. Yeshua always forgave the humble, and told them after forgiving them to ‘go and sin no more’. His beacon call what ‘Turn from your sins to God for forgiveness’. Holiness is part of being filled with a Holy Spirit. But legalism and judaizing are not the will of God at all. We have works, they are accomplished through the Spirit dwelling in us. They are works of love. Proclaiming the glory of God through Yeshua, and doing works of the Spirit that dwells within us, by the will of God. I appreciate all you have said here, I find no area of disagreement worth noting. It is a pleasure to discuss these things with you.

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    • vesselofgod
      December 23, 2011

      Sorry, the first part of my reply was cut out! I was basically saying that I think I understand what you’re saying but that I need concrete examples of what constitutes Yeshua’s torah. I also said that most people hold an extreme view of the law ie. All done away with, freedom in Christ so do a you please but they also pick and choose OT laws for their own gain e.g. tithing whilst others are still very legalistic.

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  9. Charles Ryalls
    December 23, 2011

    Here is how the New Torah of Messiah works.

    There was a rich young ruler who came and asked “ What must I do to inherit eternal life?” Yeshua said, “You know the commandments” and begins listing from the 10. The young man confesses “All of these I have done from my youth.” And Yeshua says, “ You have done well. Now go sell all you have and give it to the poor. . ..” Does the Torah of Moshe forbid us to have wealth? Does it call for us to give everything to the poor? NO! NO!!! You see the Torah of Moshe has limitations. It was not able to bring us to the goal and it certainly was not itself the goal. The Goal is a life in union with Messiah. The Torah of the New Covenant is written on the heart and knows both the will of God and the condition of our hearts and makes a change in us that we need to obtain eternal life in Messiah and to be in his kingdom. The Lord was showing the young man how his wealth and status was actually separating him from coming into the fullness of what God had for him, kept the man from loving and trusting God and loving his neighbor as he should. That is what the New Torah does, it is written on the heart and makes the changes there where we need it.
    The Old Torah is a compass. It is what leads us in the right direction. It’s laws teaches us about who God is, what He is like, what God wants in a general way, teaches us principles, but does not bring us fully to the Goal. That is the purpose of the Torah of the New Covenant which is administered by the Holy Spirit who lives in us. That is the Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness peace and joy in the holy spirit.

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  10. Charles Ryalls
    December 24, 2011

    In other words, the Torah of Moshe could only show us what was wrong but offered no solution or means to correct it. It relied totally on the will of the flesh to cvause us to change our mind and to alter our behavior.

    The Torah of Yeshua shows us the root spiritual nature of what is wrong and then goes on to empower us to correct it through a process of repentence, submission to God and rebirth in the spirit which makes entirely new persons of us in regards to each of those areas of our life.

    Keeping the law as given to Moshe could not get you to the goal. And as such the Torah of Moshe certainly can not be the goal if it can not get you to the goal. The goal is to become a new creation in union with God through rebirth in the spirit through faith in Messiah Yeshua.

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    • Marc
      January 7, 2012

      Hi I’m a Jewish believer. I kind of know what you’re taking about in regards to Gentiles and Torah observance. It’s sort of a replacement theology per se. I believe it stems also from 2 house theology.

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      • Shimshon
        January 7, 2012

        I have that mindset as well. I remember years ago battling replacement theology that stemmed within the Church. Then as the Messianic movement started to flourish we were flanked by this very same theology, wrapped up in a talit and davening prayers.

        At first we thought and hoped and prayed it would all go away as some freak cult. And even today the 2 house doctrine is seen as such. But I see that with the persistence of those who believe this they have worked their way into the mainstream movement of Messianic Judaism.

        I remember a few years ago remarking to someone, “where did all the 2 house go to, I don’t see them as much as I did in the early years”. Now I know what happened to them, they dropped their attack from the outside and intermingled within the mainstream to try and out number the actual Jews who preach Messiah, with gentiles who preach Torah. Islam uses this approach to conquest, and do did communistic Russia.

        Thank you for taking the time to visit my blog and comment. I remember you from my Messianic forum years back at Living Waters Forums. Always a pleasure Marc.

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      • Marc
        January 16, 2012

        That’s an interesting comment about Jewish believers preaching Messiah and non. Jews preaching Torah. The congregation I attend which is a Messianic Jewish synagogue preaches Messiah. It’s interesting that non Jewish congregations preach Torah for the most part. Why is it?

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      • Shimshon
        January 19, 2012

        I discussed this last month in my blog post Acts 15:21 – Gentiles in the synagogue where I said:

        Gentiles, having not been raised in any form of Judaism, view it in a romanticized way. Like when someone holds an item they have never held before. They are careful with it, so as not to damage or desecrate it. Why are they careful? Because they do not know if they are desecrating it because they do not know about the item. They only know little tidbits about it and make conclusions off of those. They have not had and intimate relationship with it.

        Jews, having been raised in Judaism view it in a more tangible way. Like when someone asked you to get something from another’s desk. You have only an idea of where that item may be, but the person who’s desk it is knows exactly where to look and how to open the drawer. Where the key is and how to jiggle the lock. And what group of papers the item is under.

        You can find the whole comment by clicking the link to the post.

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  12. Charles Ryalls
    January 19, 2012

    David, very true and you are correct. I would add this point as well: For the gentile, the ones who begin studying scripture for themselves, they discover some blaring contradictions between what the bible said, how the disciple lived and what current Christian doctrine is. The deeper they dig to more disparity they discover. So the thought occurs that since Judaism is the foundation under Christianity, therefore to return to Judaism takes one back closer to the real truth. However in their quest they encounter a problem. Rabbinical Judaism is the only remaining large group of Judaism and they do not accept that Yeshua was the Messiah. So they work the two together like cross breeding and create yet another Crimean. Since it contains both belief in Yeshua (Notice I changed faith for belief here) they now feel they have the correct doctrine which embraces the great truth of both of those religions. What is missed and is scantly described is scripture is the changes that those first Jewish believers experienced. We really only see the Church while it was sprouting up and in transition. The next time we get any detail is in writings that were either banned by the church or hidden in obscurity of extra-biblical writings. And then several centuries later we get the story as told through the Early Church fathers who are by that time fully indoctrinated in Anti-Torah, anti-semitism. Some of this is the result of the Roman and Jewish persecution of the believers and their going underground to survive. And by the time Constantine makes Christianity the state religion it is full of pagan beliefs and corrupt. This very early church that went underground also contained many Jews, maybe mostly Jews. But the the Jews who are later exposed to Messiah are exposed by the paganized form which they accept only upon threat of death. The Jews go through a very similar process of mucking through the confusing mess of those hidden histories and many then come to see the truth of Yeshua but see no other place to embrace that other than main-stream-Christianity. For myself, I will hang onto Messiah Yeshua through faith trusting in him alone for everything, and I will try to live as he taught as much as possible allowing the spirit to lead knowing that those things are in agreement with the very foundation of Judaism as given through the ten commands and not all the regulaitons given specifically to the Jewish people as a group by Moshe.

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